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Ann Kennedy Smith's avatar

This is lovely, and I enjoyed the definition of virgula as 'the divining rod that locates water or other precious substances underground, a rod that mediates or pretends to mediate between the terrestrial and the divine'. Hearing the word 'virgule' gave me a Proust-like flashback to French dictation classes at school, and the pleasure of turning that rather leaden word (as it seemed to me then) into a simple little flick on the page.

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Harry Gilonis's avatar

Or there’s Adorno’s essay on punctuation-marks in ‘Notes to Literature’.

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Jeremy Noel-Tod's avatar

'On the Commadification of Culture'?

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Sasja Janssen's avatar

Thank you for your brilliant piece on Virgula! Sasja Janssen

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Jeremy Noel-Tod's avatar

Thank you for getting me thinking about the life of commas!

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Dave Garbutt's avatar

Apropos another campaign: an old convention fighting to live again is the one of capitalising species’ names. Thus, comma—a mark, Comma—a butterfly.

Sticking to this would have saved you pain, but deprived us of a fine article. :-)

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Jeremy Noel-Tod's avatar

Thanks, Dave. I do rather suspect Langley enjoyed the ambiguity, at least!

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Moniza Alvi's avatar

There's a great deal of interest here, Jeremy - such as how far a comma is actually in service of a poem, how the critical aspect of a review might prove helpful, and a poet's way of ending (or beginning) poems that might become stylistically repetitive and how far the poet might or might not be aware of this. It's noticeable, for instance, that Sharon Olds often starts a poem with 'When'. It's something of which she must be aware... A spontaneity..?

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Jeremy Noel-Tod's avatar

I do suspect a poet gets to a certain point of eminence where it's no longer considered appropriate for an editor to raise such issues! Olds' 'When...' though might be like the Old English scop's 'Hwaet'...?

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Michele Hutchison's avatar

Lovely to read this! Thanks for your interesting comments during the event itself. And would you correct my name to Hutchison?

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Jeremy Noel-Tod's avatar

Thanks, Michele, and apologies for that typo!

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Harry Gilonis's avatar

Nope: just ‘Punctuation Marks’. Sorry; should have said that more directly!

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Rosanna McGlone's avatar

Thank you for your comment on my book ,'The Process of Poetry', Jeremy. I think Regi's most powerful employment of the comma was her addition to the line, 'My sister died at sea, alone' emphasising her complete isolation and encouraging the reader to pause. John McCullough's more joyous use of the exclamation mark, may also be of interest your readers?

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Jeremy Noel-Tod's avatar

I love the snooty title of that chapter

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